Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

It seems that a lot of GPU problems revolve around specific versions of drivers. Though NVidia has their own support structure, you can often learn from information reported by others who fold.

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Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by STFC9F22 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Win 10 Home 64-bit, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070.

For information -
Windows Update has today (10 February 2017) downloaded and installed a new NVIDIA Driver described in windows update as 'NVIDIA - Display - 12/29/2016 12:00:00 AM - 21.21.13.7653' and which Control Panel -> Hardware and Sound -> NVIDIA Control Panel -> Help -> Sytem Information reports as 376.53

The thread 'WARNING Do not upgrade to 375/376.xx drivers (for xx<48)' describes the issue - in summary NVIDIA driver version 373.06 works with Folding@home then all versions fail on core 21 projects until 376.48

Having had at least three Work Units download and fail immediately, 376.53 apparently reinstates the issue.

I have since visited the NVIDIA UK site (http://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers) where 378.49 is offerred (as a WHQL driver) and installed it. This is currently running Project 9197 so I presume it corrects the issue.

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by ComputerGenie » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:33 pm

"How to Stop Windows 8/10 Installing Driver Software Automatically":
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/482 ... -10-a.html

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by bruce » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:08 pm

STFC9F22 wrote:... 376.53 apparently reinstates the issue.
Possibly, but I doubt it. Whenever Microsoft installs a new driver, they REMOVE components which support OpenCL. Without OpenCL, FAH cannot fold.

(This could be tested by downloading 376.53 from nVidia --- which, unlike the components installed by Windows Update, includes support for OpenCL and CUDA -- but I'm not sure anybody needs to do that. We recommend you ALWAYS get your drivers from nVIdia.)

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by STFC9F22 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:11 am

Hi Bruce - thanks for your response.

Oddly 376.53 is not returned on the NVIDIA site when searching for drivers for my configuration, the list jumps from 376.33 to 378.49 (understandably 376.48 is not listed as it was a 'Hotifx') so I cannot verify that what you are saying is correct, however, I think your explanation fits the facts in that, as far as I can remember, this is the first time I have
installed an NVIDIA driver via Windows Update since fitting the graphics card. As driver update via windows update has become the norm under Windows 10 and is now not easily turned off by non-technical donors I guess this is potentially quite damaging for Folding@home.

By the way, since downloading and installing 378.49 from the NVIDIA site I have successfully completed seven Work Units so I can confirm that there is no problem with that driver from that source.

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by ComputerGenie » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:34 am

STFC9F22 wrote:....As driver update via windows update has become the norm under Windows 10 and is now not easily turned off by non-technical donors...
Clicking the words "Settings", "Update & security", and "Advanced options" isn't really that "technical" (@ 5 clicks and close a window, it' is literally less involved that installing and getting F@H to run).

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by Leonardo » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:33 am

On four computers yesterday, all running Windows 10 (3 Pro, 1 Home), all of which I've set to "Never install" device drivers, 376.53 presented for download in Windows Updates. Although the drivers did not automatically install, I found no way to remove the presentation. So, next time I need to install actually useful updates, I'll have to also accept the new drivers? Win10 Windows Updates are presented as a group, not for individual selection.
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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by STFC9F22 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:09 am

ComputerGenie wrote:
STFC9F22 wrote:....As driver update via windows update has become the norm under Windows 10 and is now not easily turned off by non-technical donors...
Clicking the words "Settings", "Update & security", and "Advanced options" isn't really that "technical" (@ 5 clicks and close a window, it' is literally less involved that installing and getting F@H to run).
Hi ComputerGenie,

Thanks for posting the 'How to Stop Windows 8/10 Installing Driver Software Automatically' guide however, it includes a note that Option 1 (which you are describing) is no longer available in Windows 10 build 15019 - I don't know if this means that it has been removed from all current versions of Windows 10 but I can confirm that in my installation of Windows 10 Home the checkbox option 'Include driver updates when I update Windows', shown in the guide screenshot, does not exist.

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by ComputerGenie » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:33 am

STFC9F22 wrote:...no longer available in Windows 10 build 15019...
A beta OS falls under the heading of "Caveat Emptor", no?

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Re: Win Update installs NVIDIA 376.53 - breaks Core 21 again

Post by bollix47 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:56 am

There is no option to check in Windows 10 Home. Use Option Two or Four. See my post here for more info which I've used on Home and have not seen a driver update since.

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